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[Nov. 2nd, 2004|11:09 pm]
桜井香津美
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If Bush wins, I will lose any and all faith in America.

The proposed Florida amendment requiring Parental Notification for abortions performed on minors is, to my surprise, passing.

A Georgia state amendment to ban same-sex marriage, which doesn't surprise me, is passing... but it really disheartens me. I now realize several other states have similar proposed amendments, and i'm sure most if not all will vote "Yes" for it.

What's wrong with people?
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[User Picture]From: insipidity
2004-11-02 05:20 pm (UTC)
I love you and I'm praying with you :( <33
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[User Picture]From: shinwachou
2004-11-02 05:40 pm (UTC)
You could never have any conceivable idea of how much I miss you.
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[User Picture]From: insipidity
2004-11-02 06:03 pm (UTC)
I do, because I totally miss you just as much. :(((( I always see San Jose on the BART map and get teary.
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[User Picture]From: xochitl
2004-11-02 08:23 pm (UTC)
The proposed Florida amendment requiring Parental Notification for abortions performed on minors is, to my surprise, passing.

What is wrong with this? ^^; If I had a kid, I'd damn well better know if she is getting an abortion or not. When she's 18, she can do what she wants, but if she is living under her parents' roof, they deserve to know. It's not like they can keep her from getting one if she is desperate enough, but notification should be mandatory.
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[User Picture]From: shinwachou
2004-11-02 08:27 pm (UTC)
It's not always wise for a girl's parents to know... not everyone is lucky to have parents who won't emotionally and/or physically damage them for contemplating or having an abortion.

I wouldn't want my daughter to do something, that in her heart, isn't what she wants (to do), for a fear of what I might think or do.
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[User Picture]From: xochitl
2004-11-02 08:37 pm (UTC)
I wouldn't ever force my (theoretical- if hell froze over XD) daughter to do anything she didn't want to either, but as long as children are under 18, they are their parents' legal responsibility and as such their parents have a legal right to know what is going on. It'd be wrong if a 14-year-old got cosmetic surgery without her parents' consent, so I'm not sure why an abortion should be much different.
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[User Picture]From: shinwachou
2004-11-02 09:41 pm (UTC)
Admittedly, both cosmetic surgery and abortion both entangle many ethical questions (though one to a more severe degree than the other)... however (as hard as this is to put into words), knowing where I stand on either cosmetic surgery or abortion, they're not on quite the same wavelength.

Both involve altering the body in some way, but cosmetic surgery entails reconstruction of body parts (superficial) and more often than not is done so they look more "socially acceptable". Just like some women feel forced into carrying pregnancies to term due to either ethical/moral issues and/or to appear "socially acceptable".

Both, as seen above, share many similarities... but the differences exist. Bearing a child inflicts great financial and enviromental burden (in this age, sad to say, is true). Sure, the child may likely bring the parents joy, but there's no denying those two burdens. Cosmetic surgery, like elective medically unnecessary abortions,

Well, I guess it doesn't matter what I think, since I can't remember the ending I had in mind for that paragraph's last sentence.
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[User Picture]From: xochitl
2004-11-03 05:41 am (UTC)
Let's put it this way: Parents have to give consent for school field trips but not abortions? ^^;
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[User Picture]From: shinwachou
2004-11-04 06:48 am (UTC)
You just can't compare the two. A pregnancy is something personal to a particular individual it happens to, it is not another person's decision whether they continue with the pregnancy or not, regardless of age.

Parents are responsible for taking care of their children until 18 years of age, but it's not their responsibility in regards to permitting (or not permitting) their child to terminate the pregnancy. That is an extremely personal decision going beyond "school field trip consent" or "cosmetic surgery". Although in either there's the same complex ethical/moral issues involved, comparing those to abortion/pregnancy are ultimately not the same.

Teenagers are not inherently stupid or incapable of making responsible decisions, you and me were teenagers ourselves not that long ago... and I would hardly say you were unable to make decisions for yourself, then or now.
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[User Picture]From: insipidity
2004-11-02 10:36 pm (UTC)
if parents knew it could deter a lot of people from getting legal abortions because if the parents had to consent, in some cases, in fact many, a) they would not consent and b) they would disown their child. which leads to illegal abortions. which is not good.

an abortion is generally a really big deal, emotionally, for any person, and i don't think that, unless the parents were freakishly uptight and controlling religious fanatics, which do exist in large quantities, the child wouldn't tell their parents about it. ah whatever i'm way too depressed to think right now. basically: making parents know and consent to an abortion is just another way to curb the rate of abortions and increase the rate of fucked up pregnancies and fucked up illegal abortions.
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[User Picture]From: insipidity
2004-11-02 10:39 pm (UTC)
oops, think i actually read this wrong, if there doesn't have to be parental consent. but notification by its lonesome is still hazardous in my opinion.
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[User Picture]From: comatosedreamer
2004-11-02 09:28 pm (UTC)
That, and the daughter might not exactly want her parents to know that she was pregnant in the first place.

Once again, not everyone is lucky enough to have a parent who wouldn't hurt them for even having sex.
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[User Picture]From: xochitl
2004-11-03 05:44 am (UTC)
Abuse is wrong regardless of the situation. At a young age, most children do not make actions that are in their best interests, hence getting parents involved. If the parents abuse their child for considering an abortion, that opens up an an entirely new and unrelated legal problem. The issue here is being responsible for a minor. ^^;
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[User Picture]From: xxevenstar
2004-11-03 09:20 am (UTC)
Oregon passed the same sex marriage ban... I thought people in Oregon were open minded, apparently not.
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